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In Science, Ignorance is not Bliss PDF Print E-mail
by Walter Cunningham   

NASA has played a key role in one of the greatest periods of scientific progress in history. It is uniquely positioned to collect the most comprehensive data on our biosphere.

For example, recently generated NASA data enabled scientists to finally understand the Gulf Stream warming mechanism and its effect on European weather. Such data will allow us to improve our models, resulting in better seasonal forecasts.

NASA’s Aqua satellite is showing that water vapor, the dominant greenhouse gas, works to offset the effect of carbon dioxide (CO2). This information, contrary to the assumption used in all the warming models, is ignored by global warming alarmists.

Climate understanding and critical decision making require comprehensive data about our planet’s land, sea, and atmosphere. Without an adequate satellite system to provide such data, policy efforts and monitoring international environmental agreements are doomed to failure. Our satellite monitoring capability is being crippled by interagency wrangling and federal budget issues. As much as a third of our satellites need replacing in the next couple of years.

NASA should be at the forefront in the collection of scientific evidence and debunking the current hysteria over human-caused, or Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW). Unfortunately, it is becoming just another agency caught up in the politics of global warming, or worse, politicized science. Advocacy is replacing objective evaluation of data, while scientific data is being ignored in favor of emotions and politics.

There are excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the Sun and the Earth’s temperature, while scientists cannot find a relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption, and global temperatures. But global warming is an issue no longer being decided in the scientific arena.

Saying the Earth is warming is to state the obvious. Since the end of the ice age, the Earth’s temperature has increased approximately 16 degrees Fahrenheit and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet. That is certain and measurable evidence of warming, but it is not evidence of AGW—human-caused warming.

We can track the temperature of the Earth back for millennia. Knowing the temperature of the Earth, past or present, is a matter of collecting data, analyzing it, and coming up with the best answer to account for the data. Collecting such data on a global basis is a NASA forte.

ImageI believe in global climate change, but there is no way that humans can influence the temperature of our planet to any measurable degree with the tools currently at their disposal. Any human contribution to global temperature change is lost in the noise of terrestrial and cosmic factors.

Our beautiful home planet has been warming and cooling for the last 4.8 billion years. Most recently, it has been warming—be it ever so slightly—but there is nothing unusual about it! The changes and rates of change in the Earth’s temperature, just since the Industrial Revolution, have occurred many times in our climatic history. While climate scientists generally agree that the Earth’s temperature is always changing, not many of them would say that humans are responsible for those changes.

None of this is to say there are not legitimate reasons to restrict emissions of any number of chemicals into the atmosphere. We should just not fool ourselves into thinking we will change the temperature of the Earth by doing so.

In a December 2007 Senate report, 400 prominent scientists signed a letter pointing out that climate change was a well-known natural phenomenon, and that adapting to it is far more sensible than attempting to prevent it. Their ranks included experts in climatology, geology, oceanography, biology, glaciology, biogeography, meteorology, economics, chemistry, mathematics, environmental sciences, engineering, physics, and paleo-climatology. Their message: When changes are gradual, man has an almost infinite ability to adapt and evolve.

The fearmongers of global warming base their case on the correlation between CO2 and global temperature, even though we cannot be sure which is cause and which is effect. Historically, temperature increases have preceded high CO2 levels, and there have been periods when atmospheric CO2 levels were as much as 16 times what they are now, periods characterized not by warming but by glaciation. You might have to go back half a million years to match our current level of atmospheric CO2, but you only have to go back to the Medieval Warming Period, from the 10th to the 14th Century, to find an intense global warming episode, followed immediately by the drastic cooling of the Little Ice Age. Neither of these events were caused by variations in CO2 levels.

Even though CO2 is a relatively minor constituent of “greenhouse gases,” alarmists have made it the whipping boy for global warming (probably because they know how fruitless it would be to propose controlling other principal constituents, H2O, CH4, and N2O). Since human activity does contribute a tiny portion of atmospheric CO2, they blame us for global warming.

Other inconvenient facts ignored by the activists: Carbon dioxide is a nonpolluting gas, essential for plant photosynthesis. Higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere produce bigger harvests.

In spite of warnings of severe consequences from rising seas, droughts, severe weather, species extinction, and other disasters, the U.S. has not been stampeded into going along with the recommendations of the UN Panel on Climate Change—so far. Even though evidence supports the American position, we have begun to show signs of caving in to the alarmists.

With scientific evidence going out of style, emotional arguments and anecdotal data are ruling the day. The media subjects us to one frightening image of environmental nightmare after another, linking each to global warming. Journalists and activist scientists use hurricanes, wildfires, and starving polar bears to appeal to our emotions, not to our reason. They are far more concerned with anecdotal observations, such as the frozen sea ice inside the Arctic Circle, than they are with understanding why it is happening and how frequently it has occurred in the past.

After warnings that 2007 would be the hottest year on record and a record year for hurricanes, what we experienced was the coolest year since 2001 and, by some measures, the most benign hurricane season in the Northern Hemisphere in three decades.

Even though recent changes in our atmosphere are all within the bounds of the Earth’s natural variability, a growing number of people are willing to throw away trillions of dollars on fruitless solutions. Why do we allow emotional appeals and anecdotal data to shape our conclusions and influence our expenditures with the science and technology we have available at our fingertips?

The situation is complex, but the sad state of scientific literacy in America today is partially to blame for belief in AGW. When a 2006 National Science Foundation survey found 25 percent of Americans not knowing the Earth revolves around the Sun, you know that science education is at a new low and society is vulnerable to the emotional appeal of AGW. And don’t underestimate the role of politics and political correctness.

The public debate should focus on the real cause of global temperature change and whether we can do anything about it. Is global warming a natural inevitability, or is it AGW—human caused?

The conflict over AGW has deteriorated into a religious war; a war between true believers in human-caused global warming and nonbelievers; between those who accept AGW on faith and those who consider themselves more sensible and better informed. “True believers” are beyond being interested in evidence; it is impossible to reason a person out of positions they have not been reasoned into.

It doesn’t help that NASA scientist James Hansen was one of the early alarmists claiming humans caused global warming. Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA’s own data contradict him.

Warming in the upper atmosphere should occur before any surface warming effect, but NASA’s own data show that has not been happening. Global temperature readings—accurate to 0.1 degree Celsius—are gathered by orbiting satellites. Interestingly, in the 18 years those satellites have been recording global temperatures, they have actually shown a slight decrease in average temperatures.

Hansen is currently calling for a reduction of atmospheric CO2 by 10 percent and a moratorium on coal-fired power plants, while claiming the Bush administration is censoring him. Other so-called scientists are saying the world must bring carbon emissions to near zero to keep temperatures from rising.

In today’s politically correct environment, many are reluctant to dispute the popular wisdom; when they do, they are frequently ignored. When NASA Administrator Michael Griffin, Hansen’s boss and a distinguished scientist in his own right, attempted to draw a distinction between Hansen’s personal and political views and the science conducted by his agency, he was soon forced to back off.

It is the true believers who, when they have no facts on their side, try to silence their critics. When former NASA mathematician Ferenc Miskolczi pointed out that “greenhouse warming” may be mathematically impossible, NASA would not allow him to publish his work. Miskolczi dared to question the simplifying assumption in the warming model that the atmosphere is infinitely thick. He pointed out that when you use the correct thickness—about 65 miles—the greenhouse effect disappears! Ergo: no AGW. Miskolczi resigned in disgust and published his proof in the peerreviewed Hungarian journal Weather.

For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming. Even though atmospheric CO2 has continued to accumulate—up about 4 percent in the last 10 years—the global mean temperature has remained flat. That should raise obvious questions about CO2 being the cause of climate change.

Instead, AGW enthusiasts are embracing more regulation, greater government spending, and higher taxes in a futile attempt to control what is beyond our control—the Earth’s temperature. One of their political objectives, unstated of course, is the transfer of wealth from rich nations to poor nations or, as the social engineers put it, from the North to the South, which may be their real agenda.

At the Bali Conference on Climate Change in December 2007, the poor nations insisted that the costs of technology to limit emissions and other impacts of climate change on their countries be paid by the rich nations. Most anticipated a windfall of money flowing into their countries to develop technology or purchase carbon credits. In this scenario, selling allotments for CO2 emissions would provide a temporary boost to their own cash flow, while severely limiting the economic development of those countries purchasing the carbon credits.

In the face of overwhelming evidence for natural temperature variation, proponents of AGW are resorting to a precautionary argument: “We must do something just in case we are responsible, because the consequences are too terrible if we are to blame and do nothing.” They hope to stampede government entities into committing huge amounts of money before their fraud is completely exposed—before science and truth save the day.

Politicians think they can reverse global warming by stabilizing CO2 emissions with a cockamamie scheme of “cap and trade.” A government entity would sell CO2 allocations to those industries producing it. The trillions of dollars in new taxes and devastation to the economy would be justified by claiming it will lower the temperature of the Earth. This rationalization is dependent on two assumptions: (1) that CO2 is responsible for the cause of changes in the Earth’s temperature, and (2) a warmer Earth would be bad for humanity.

The reality is that atmospheric CO2 has a minimal impact on greenhouse gases and world temperature. Water vapor is responsible for 95 percent of the greenhouse effect. CO2 contributes just 3.6 percent, with human activity responsible for only 3.2 percent of that. That is why some studies claim CO2 levels are largely irrelevant to global warming.

Without the greenhouse effect to keep our world warm, the planet would have an average temperature of minus 18 degrees Celsius. Because we do have it, the temperature is a comfortable plus 15 degrees Celsius. Based on the seasonal and geographic distribution of any projected warming, a good case can be made that a warmer average temperature would be even more beneficial for humans.

For a tiny fraction of the trillions of dollars a cap-and-trade system would eventually cost the United States, we could pay for development of clean coal, oil-shale recovery systems, and nuclear power, and have enough left over to pay for exploration of our solar system.

By law, NASA cannot involve itself in politics, but it can surely champion the role of science to inform politicians. With so many uninformed and misguided politicians ignoring the available science, NASA should fill the void. NASA is synonymous with science. Allowing our priorities to drift away from hard science is tantamount to embracing decadence. NASA will surely suffer; and politicizing science is killing it.

I do see hopeful signs that some true believers are beginning to harbor doubts about AGW. Let’s hope that NASA can focus the global warming discussion back on scientific evidence before we perpetrate an economic disaster on ourselves.

Editor’s note: At LAUNCH, we certainly recognize that global warming is a very controversial subject with honest, well-reasoned opinions on both sides. In fact, in this issue, Apollo 14’s Edgar Mitchell shares his own concerns as part of a wide-ranging interview beginning on page 60. Feel free to give us your opinion here or at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it


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1. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 07-24-2008 14:39 - IP: 65.15.235.66
 
 
All of Walt's columns are great, but this one is the best so far! I thought the debate was declared over and fake science had won. Millions of people around the world have been conditioned to listen to politicians for their science and accept the loudest voices as the truth. We owe future generations much more than that. We really need more voices like Walt speaking for them.
 
2. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 07-24-2008 15:05 - IP: 69.124.131.79
 
 
Carl, 
Thanks for your comments! And you're in good company. We just got an emailed letter from Burt Rutan, who praised Walt for speaking out on this topic. You'll see the letter in the next issue of LAUNCH. We're lucky to have Walt as a regular columnist. He's not only an excellent writer, his technical knowledge is exceptional. Plus, he and his wife Dot are such a pleasure to be around. And they certainly have that in common with you, Sheryl, Bruce and the crew at Semroc! 
Mark
 
3. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 07-27-2008 08:07 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
I find it interesting that Dr. James Hansen's computer model was used in the 1970's to predict a coming ice age and now he is using a newer version of it to predict global warming. I'd like to see some proof that his model is accurate - for instance, put in the parameters from 100 years ago and see if it can predict the conditions that we know existed in the following years. I suspect that the computer model would fail this very basic test. 
 
I'm also wary of any scientist who refers to anyone who disagrees with him as "court jesters." This sort of ridicule directed towards the opposing viewpoint calls Dr. Hansen's objectivity into question.  
 
Thank you, Walt, for having the guts to put your views here to be read.
 
4. Written by Chris Schoneveld on 08-01-2008 16:52 - IP: 86.196.154.170
 
 
I applaud Walt for writing his piece, yet without quoting peer reviewed research papers one always has to convince the true GW believers that you are not just a mouth piece of Big Oil. 
 
Hansen's and other computer models that hope to predict climate changes as a result of CO2 emissions are flawed. This is the conclusion of a recent peer reviewed paper: "On the credibility of climate predictions" by Koutsoyiannis et al 
It can be downloaded here:  
www.atypon-link.com/IAHS/doi/abs/10.1623/hysj.53.4.671
 
5. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:45 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Walter Cunningham denies Global Warming.  
 
Edgar Mitchell believes in aliens, psychics and mystics:  
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20080729/sc_livescience/apolloastronautbelievesinalienspsychicsandmystics 
 
And NASA isn't going to send humans back to the moon or Mars, ever.  
 
I can see that Americans have lost their taste for science. Americans prefer ignorance and mysticism so long as they can keep on driving their SUVs, eating Big Macs, running their air conditioners at bone chilling temperatures on hot days, watching television, and otherwise living like fools.  
 
The United States of America doesn't lead the world in science any longer. Americans have retreated from science in the form of creationism, Global Warming Denialism, UFO-ology, psychics, mysticism, and the worst -ism of them all: Consumerism.  
 
If forced to make a decision whehter to trust James Hansen or Walter Cunningham, I'm going to have to trust the climatologist and not the retired astronaut.
 
6. Written by G Maxwell on 08-02-2008 12:41 - IP: 76.187.37.232
 
 
Gee Dave Mathews, did you bother to read Walter Cunningham bio before you launched off on a smarmy attack on his credibility? Yes he is a retired astronaut. And comparing him to Edgar Mitchell is rich given Mitchell is the one supporting Hansen's views. 
 
But just in case someone might think yours is an enlighted hitjob and not just a smear here is a bit more of his bio, primarily his education. You see he was a minority in that he was a civilian astronaut and a scientist. Funny that. 
 
Education: 
 
University of California at Los Angeles (Physics), B.S., 1960, with honors; M.S., 1961, with distinction. 
 
Institute of Geophysics And Planetary Sciences, completed work on Doctorate in physics with exception of thesis. 
 
NASA, (Space Sciences and Geology), 2,000 hours, 1963-1971. 
 
Harvard Graduate School of Business 1974. AMP 
 
Maybe its that evil B school degree, as it might let him come in contact with even more evil corporations. But then offsetting that is the fact that Harvard doesn't let just anyone into their program... HMMM an honest man who post a retraction and apology.
 
7. Written by G Maxwell on 08-02-2008 12:44 - IP: 76.187.37.232
 
 
ABD ( all but a dissertation ) with all non terminal degrees leading to it in the same subject, PHYSICS.
 
8. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:45 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello G. Maxwell, 
 
"And comparing him to Edgar Mitchell is rich given Mitchell is the one supporting Hansen's views." 
 
Edgar Mitchell isn't a climatologist so his opinions regarding Global Warming don't appear revelant at all this this low-quality unscientific tripe written by Walter Cunningham.  
 
I read what Edgar Mitchell has to say, I read what Walt Cunningham has to say, and then I understand why NASA is such a mess and won't be going anywhere. NASA's glory days ended in 1972 from the standpoint of human space exploration, the robots have since then demonstrated that they are much better than the humans. See Mars, Saturn, and Jupiter ... impressive work from small machines which don't need food, water or oxygen to survive, nor do they need to return to the Earth.  
 
Edgar Mitchell and Walt Cunningham have thoroughly demonstrated why humans don't belong in space and why our species cannot conquer space.  
 
That was the greatest lesson of the Apollo missions and much more important than a man walking on the moon. The other great gift of Apollo was those glorious pictures of the Earth all alone in the cold black vacuum of space.  
 
If Walter Cunningham believes that there are no consequences to humankind trashing the planet I invite him to study the history of the Earth and notice the billions of species, including our closest ancestors, who have already gone extinct.  
 
Walter Cunningham may be an astronaut and he is certainly well educated, but he is no climatologist and his opinions regarding James Hansen and Global Warming are utterly and absolutely worthless.  
 
How worthless? Exactly as worthless as Edgar Mitchell's tales of Roswell, UFOs, aliens among us, etc.  
 
If the leaders of our scientific civilization are so unscientific what does that tell you about the abhorrent state of science in America? No wonder why America is declining, no wonder why America is collapsing, no wonder why future generations are going to inherit a hellishly inhospitable planet from us.  
 
Walter Cunningham should apologize to James Hansen and the entire world for writing this unscientific tripe of slanderous accusations and conspiracy thinking. Americans must begin dealing with reality instead of allowing panderers to justify their reckless gluttony and wastefulness.
 
9. Written by Mario Perdue on 08-03-2008 12:16 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Quote:
If Walter Cunningham believes that there are no consequences to humankind trashing the planet I invite him to study the history of the Earth and notice the billions of species, including our closest ancestors, who have already gone extinct.

 
 
Where did he say that trashing the planet has no consequences? 
 
Quote:
Walter Cunningham may be an astronaut and he is certainly well educated, but he is no climatologist and his opinions regarding James Hansen and Global Warming are utterly and absolutely worthless.

 
 
James Hansen lists the following degrees on his web site - I don't see climatology in there... 
 
* B.A. (Physics and Mathematics), 1963, University of Iowa 
* M.S. (Astronomy), 1965, University of Iowa 
* Ph.D. (Physics), 1967, University of Iowa 
 
Quote:
Walter Cunningham should apologize to James Hansen and the entire world for writing this unscientific tripe of slanderous accusations and conspiracy thinking. Americans must begin dealing with reality instead of allowing panderers to justify their reckless gluttony and wastefulness.

 
 
Walt should apologize to no one for having a dissenting opinion. That's how the scientific process works - someone formulates a theory and others try to find the flaws. The theory gets revised based on input from the people who disagree with the original premise. The problem with AGW theorists is they can't adequately defend their theory so they resort to attacking the people who disagree with them, much like you've been doing here.
 
10. Written by Chris Schoneveld on 08-02-2008 14:10 - IP: 86.196.154.170
 
 
David Mathews, 
Can you just stop for a minute with your non-sensical attack on Walter, someone who has all the rights to question the AGW hypothesis. Are you as critical about Al Gore's views? Or, for that matter, Dr K Pachauri's, Chairman, IPCC who has an:  
* MS in Industrial Engineering in 1972,  
* PhD in Industrial Engineering and a PhD in Economics,  
* Served as Assistant Professor (August 1974 -- May 1975) and Visiting Faculty Member (Summer 1976 and 1977) in the Department of Economics and Business. 
 
Instead, study the paper I referred to in my earlier post and give your "expert" opinion. 
You would gain my respect if you indeed manage to do that.
 
11. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:44 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello Mario, 
 
"James Hansen lists the following degrees on his web site - I don't see climatology in there... " 
 
James Hansen has devoted his career to climatology and he has a well-earned internationally recognized stature in the field. Walter Cunningham went into space ... whom shall I trust?  
 
"Walt should apologize to no one for having a dissenting opinion." 
 
Walt doesn't have a dissenting position. He is merely parroting a lot of conservative disinformation and oil industry talking points. Such tripe has a home on the internet: Fox News and Investor's Business Daily. Calling it "science" is an insult to science.  
 
You might as well call creationism science.  
 
"The problem with AGW theorists is they can't adequately defend their theory so they resort to attacking the people who disagree with them, much like you've been doing here." 
 
In there some particular point in the above tripe which you would like to argue about? You pick the subject and we'll argue.  
 
As regarding attacking people rather than discussing science, Walt Cunningham attacks James Hansen with a slanderous accusation:  
 
> "It doesn’t help that NASA scientist James Hansen was one of the early alarmists claiming humans caused global warming. Hansen is a political activist who spreads fear even when NASA’s own data contradict him." 
 
Such accusations against a climatologists only indicate that Walt Cunningham has perhaps spent too much time in space. Or he is talking to the aliens with Edgar Mitchell.  
 
Is there any wonder why NASA is such a mess and a failure if these represent the greatest astronauts that NASA has ever produced?  
 
With talk like this, I realize why the human spaceflight era is coming to an end so quickly. Americans have failed at science ... but at least we're still good at morbid obesity, hyperconsumerism, SUV-driving, warmongering, and debt-accumulating.  
 
The United States of America is collapsing. I wonder why?
 
12. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:44 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello Chris, 
 
"Can you just stop for a minute with your non-sensical attack on Walter, someone who has all the rights to question the AGW hypothesis. Are you as critical about Al Gore's views? Or, for that matter, Dr K Pachauri's ... " 
 
Al Gore's not a scientist so I respect his views but don't regard them as gospel truth. Dr. K Pachauri has devoted his career to the study of climatology so his views are respected and trusted but this does not mean blind faith.  
 
The astronaut, however, is speaking like a pundit on Fox News and his only claim to fame is having spent some time in space. I don't regard the astronaut as trustworthy. Having gone into space doesn't render anyone an expert on climatology ... nor, for that matter, on the Roswell incident.  
 
"Instead, study the paper I referred to in my earlier post and give your "expert" opinion.  
You would gain my respect if you indeed manage to do that." 
 
I saw that paper and it didn't impress me. The message of the paper, quite simply stated, is that we don't know the future. Yeah ... I think that the climatologists can agree with that conclusion. Models are just models, but if I told you that smoking causes cancer does it make a difference that you might be able to point out a thousand chain-smokers who haven't gotten cancer?  
 
This was Kurt Vonnegut's complaint against the tabacco companies. They promised that smoking would kill him (the Surgeon General's warning) but it didn't.  
 
So should we be skeptical of all the scientists and medical doctors who have spent the last five decades warning the public about smoking's dangers? Perhaps that is all a big conspiracy, too.
 
13. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:44 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello Everyone,  
 
If you search the Internet you can find all sorts of strange beliefs advocated by astronauts. Consider this:  
 
"There's going to be a "Back to Genesis" conference sponsored by the Institute for Creation Research in Colorado Springs, and among the luminaries in attendance will be Russell Humphreys, Henry Morris III, and this fellow: 
 
"Col. Jeffrey Williams, U.S. Army, is a NASA astronaut with graduate degrees in aeronautical engineering and strategic studies. Col. Williams has been with NASA since 1987 and has served twice on the International Space Station, including the recent Expedition 13 project in conjunction with Russian cosmonauts. 
 
"The ICR is a Young Earth Creationist institution that preaches an absolutely literal interpretation of the Bible. How nice that one astronaut is trading on his association with NASA to support such nonsense ..." 
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/03/bad_astronaut.php 
 
Hey, if an astronaut can associate with the Institute for Creation Research perhaps it is true that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and Noah's flood carved the Grand Canyon.  
 
Is Walter Cunningham a creationist?
 
14. Written by Mario Perdue on 08-02-2008 17:26 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
David, 
 
Please try to remain on topic.
 
15. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:43 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello Mario, 
 
"Please try to remain on topic." 
 
Creationism is on-topic. If you visit websites such as the Institute for Creation Research ( http://www.irc.org ) and enter "global warming" in the search query you will discover that the creationists are in near-absolute agreement with Walter Cunningham.  
 
If that is not sufficient evidence, if you happen to examine the Politically Incorrect books ( http://www.regnery.com/pig.html ) you will discover that alongside Creationism there is Global Warming Denialism.  
 
So I would like to hear what Walt Cunningham has to say about creationism. Perhaps he is a creationists. The arguments on behalf of denialism work just as well whether the science denied is evolution or climate change.  
 
There's a NASA astronaut who is a creationist, there's a NASA astronaut who believes in aliens visiting the Earth, and there's a NASA astronaut who is a Global Warming Denialist.  
 
I cannot decide which of these astronauts are unreliable. Perhaps they are all correct!  
 
So Walt Cunningham will have to explain why I should reject the other two astronaut kooks and yet continue to accept his own form of unscientific kookery.
 
16. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:47 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
I enjoy the dust up, but it is also provides an instructive example of how true believers in human caused global warming deal with the topic. 
 
What part of global warming is attributable to human activity, and what can humans do to control the Earth’s temperature are scientific questions that cannot be answered without appealing to science and scientific data. But when global warming alarmists try to make their case, they invariably resort to words, dogma, opinion and emotion. The closest thing to scientific data you will see in any of their articles is the occasional chart showing a poorly understood correlation between CO2 and temperature. 
 
Unfortunately, correlation is not causation. If it were, real scientists can produce real data from the past 20,000 years, showing that temperature peaks have preceded peaks in atmospheric CO2 by 100 to 800 years. There are standing offers with monetary rewards for ONE peer-reviewed paper showing causality between CO2 and increased temperature. None exists! 
 
On the other hand, scientists who do understand the Earth’s temperature (as well as it can be) always rebut the alarmists with papers that are replete with facts, science, charts and data tables.  
 
Check it out whenever you read the claims of either side of this argument.
 
17. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 20:42 - IP: 208.70.41.63
 
 
Hello Walter Cunningham,  
 
You still have failed to clarify your opinion regarding the kookery of your fellow astronauts who believe in the Roswell UFO and creationism.  
 
Do you accept evolution, Mr. Cunningham? I've got plenty of sources which claim that they can refute evolution and would gladly direct your attention to their refutations. These creationists also boast that they have won every debate in which they have engaged the evolutionists, too.  
 
You say:  
 
"What part of global warming is attributable to human activity, and what can humans do to control the Earth’s temperature are scientific questions that cannot be answered without appealing to science and scientific data. But when global warming alarmists try to make their case, they invariably resort to words, dogma, opinion and emotion. The closest thing to scientific data you will see in any of their articles is the occasional chart showing a poorly understood correlation between CO2 and temperature." 
 
This is unscientific foolishness of the highest order, i.e. the sort of stupidity which is displayed daily on Fox News and on conservative blogs.  
 
The IPCC report is 1400 pages long, Mr. Cunningham. Care to guess why the report would take so many pages if it were not established upon scientific evidence?  
 
Mr. Cunningham says:  
 
"Unfortunately, correlation is not causation. If it were, real scientists can produce real data from the past 20,000 years, showing that temperature peaks have preceded peaks in atmospheric CO2 by 100 to 800 years. There are standing offers with monetary rewards for ONE peer-reviewed paper showing causality between CO2 and increased temperature. None exists!" 
 
Carbon dioxide's role in Global Warming is established by the laws of physics, spaceman! Science has known about this for a century ... a whole lot longer than humans have gone into space, actually. Prhaps you should spend a little time learning the science, spaceman, rather than parroting the Republican party line.  
 
Mr. Cunningham says:  
 
"On the other hand, scientists who do understand the Earth’s temperature (as well as it can be) always rebut the alarmists with papers that are replete with facts, science, charts and data tables." 
 
This is false and you should know it, spaceman. The well-known alarmist, including Bjorn Lomborg and Roy Spencer, explicitly concede that 1). Global Warming is occurring, and 2). Humans are responsible.  
 
If you listen carefully enough to nearly all of the famous Denialists you will discover that they actually do not deny that Global Warming is occurring and that humans are responsible.  
 
The Denialists have lost the argument from a scientific standpoint. Just as the Creationists and the Alien's-are-visiting-Earth crowd have lost their arguments.  
 
Do you deny the existence of Global Warming, spaceman? Do you deny humankind's responsibility in the form of dumping millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere every day?
 
18. Written by G Maxwell on 08-02-2008 21:40 - IP: 76.187.37.232
 
 
Walt 
 
I would simply choose to ignor a person who clearly has been gulping down huge amounts of koolaide and may have forgot to take their haldol this week.  
 
You explained your points well and you get the page count from an guy and asking you to defend someone else beliefs. 
 
Every tree hugger talking points include in the sum total of the rants, well except I did not see Halliburton and maybe Chimpy but otherwise pretty much got it all.  
 
I personally want to thank you for taking a courageous stand, I am only a lay person but I read on the subject prodigiously, and it has provided insight into what Gallileo had to put up with. 
 
Keep up the good fight. I actually think that the Russians, and Chinese and Indians are starting to come forward with studies which will help break this myth of "consensus" and return this to a more scientific basis with give and take on all sides.
 
19. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 17:23 - IP: 202.0.40.202
 
 
...the debate is very much alive ! I came to this site from Climate Debate Daily, delighted to read Mr Cunningham's comments, and look forward to eventual satisfaction in this duel of words...
 
20. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-03-2008 19:47 - IP: 65.15.235.66
 
 
I would never personally attack anyone that disagrees with me and I expect others not to attack me or anyone else on the opposite side of a debate. Personal attacks and shouting usually mark the endgame of the losing side of a debate. 
 
I did have the distinct pleasure of meeting Walt Cunningham last week and he is warm, sincere, and thought-provoking. His ideas and comments are not as an expert climatologist or even as a former astronaut, but as an individual that has seen the same data and reaches a different conclusion from the majority. A true scientist will always welcome critics if he has the facts on his side. A fake scientist tries to suppress and discredit critics because he does not want others to know he is void of facts to support his pet theory.
 
21. Written by Jim Peden on 08-04-2008 13:26 - IP: 208.65.163.152
 
 
Since 100% of all the "doom and gloom" scenarios are coming from human-concocted computer models, and to date, no model has come even close to predicting actual climate events, we wonder just how scientifically illiterate the general public has become. To date, there is not one shred of actual empirical evidence to support the notion of significant human modification of the earth's climate, yet the unbelievably ignorant and uneducated public laps up disaster scenarios like grade B disaster movies. 
 
It is a sign of the times, perhaps. An increasingly scientifically illiterate and unbelievably gullible public, bolstered by an equally illiterate congress and the self-serving UN IPCC, seems willing to throw the entire economy of the free world under the train in the name of saving the world from a nonexistent disease. Decades from now, historians will be having a field day, trying to describe how an entire civilization went collectively insane over a one degree natural rise in temperature spread out over a century.
 
22. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-04-2008 15:09 - IP: 71.249.202.21
 
 
I'm with Carl on the personal attacks--it is unnecessary and shows a lack of tolerance. This is America and we are all entitled to our own viewpoint--but name-calling should not be part of that. 
 
The issue of whether we can impact the Earth’s temperature aside, I think that caring for our environment is just the right thing to do. After all, we all want to be able to drink the water and breathe the air right? Limiting emissions, recycling, disposing of toxic waste properly--all of these things are helping to make life just a bit more livable. And no matter what side of the global warming debate you are on, you would have to agree that it is nice to be able to breathe freely. In fact, I don’t think I have ever seen anyone argue otherwise. 
 
The question of whether or not we can make a difference on a grand scale will continue to be debated, and most assuredly, the answer will inevitably reveal itself over the course of time. But sometimes it pays to look at things on a smaller scale.  
 
Maybe if more people asked themselves “How can I help?” instead of “What’s in it for me?” we would all be a little better off.  
 
Deb
 
23. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-06-2008 21:46 - IP: 98.148.199.95
 
 
Who is this David Mathews? Lets see where this man is coming up with all this information of his. Wait a minute, he doesn't have any information, he just doesn't believe what some one that is really in the know knows. I believe he must be one of those people called alarmists. We are doomed so lets just throw a party and have some fun. While Mr. Mathews believes all this, the earth is heating, no the earth is cooling. Hey you say one and I will say the other and maybe one of us will be right. Walt Cunningham is right on target, sure the earth is warming, its just part of what the planet does, heats and cools and life goes on.
 
24. Written by This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it on 08-07-2008 17:40 - IP: 64.184.8.139
 
 
I too arrived to this site from Climate Debate Daily - an excellent source of viewpoints and science from both sides of the debate created by a fellow New Zealander Dennis Dutton.  
 
I would have to say that David Matthews comments seem "alarmist", rather shrill, and focuses on rhetoric rather than science. He simply provides proof of the observations made by Walter Cunningham. 
 
I have no scientific background however have read extensively on the topic. My base observation is that climate change predictions made by the IPCC, James Hanson and Co using computer modeling has not been supported by the all important empirical data collected since their dire predictions were made. And it worries me greatly that emotion and anecdotal evidence is used to fly in the face of the most reliable information possible - that is empirical data.  
 
Comment by David Matthews "Carbon dioxide's role in Global Warming is established by the laws of physics, spaceman! Science has known about this for a century ... a whole lot longer than humans have gone into space, actually. Prhaps you should spend a little time learning the science, spaceman, rather than parroting the Republican party line. " 
 
I would like to invite David Matthews to provide links to any empirical data that shows any of the following, that sea levels are rising, that the global air temperature has increased during the last decade, that there has been an increase in natural disasters, that increases in CO2 increases global air temperature.  
 
Comment by David Matthews "This is false and you should know it, spaceman. The well-known alarmist, including Bjorn Lomborg and Roy Spencer, explicitly concede that 1). Global Warming is occurring, and 2). Humans are responsible. " 
 
I would also like to invite David Matthews to read the following article by Bjorn Lomborg refuting claims that sea levels are rising. The all important empirical data streamed from NASA's satellites are showing exactly the opposite - sea levels are actually dropping. 
 
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/lomborg30 
 
 

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